I want to have this blog so I can track this system with some variations and see how it goes at the end of the season.
I was doing it in word but from the internet it will be more easy to access it anywhere.
This is an NBA system with a different Money Management that hopefully will work at the long run. I will post it as I'm currently following it.
I will increase the lines every time I clear it two or three times depending on how long it is take to clear each one.
0 series left to finish the NBA season or at least the system. By now you should have made a couple bucks so that's great.
I'm still undecided if I will post the MLB system here or on a forum but I will definitely do it this year. I will keep you guys informed.
Good luck everyone!!
Bankroll + $662
A = 43-33-2
B = 20-11-3
C = 9-5
Line 1
1.- (5-5-5-5) = 10 (Phoenix -6) W
2.- (x-5-5-x) = 10 (Utah -3.5) Nov 9, 2008 L
3.- (x-5-5-x-10) = 15 (Denver -3 W and Detroit -7 W ) Nov 11, 2008 (15 on each W)
****** I clear 1 line plus 10 more so I will subtract it for the next line.
4.- (x-5-5-x) = 10 (Chicago +13) W Nov. 18, 2008
****** Second cleared line
5.- (7-7-7-7) = 14 (Houston -6.5 Nov 21, 2008) W
6.- (x-7-7-x) = 14 (Next bets Chicago +8.5 L and Golden State +6.5 L Sunday 23, 2008) both for 14
7.- (x-7-7-x-14-14) = 21 (New Jersey Nets +14 L ) Nov 25, 2008
8.- (x-7-7-x-14-14-21) = 28 Miami Heat +8 L Nov 26, 2008
9.- (x-7-7-x-14-14-21-28) = 35 Portland Blazers +3.5 W and Toronto Raptors +12.5 L Nov 30, 2008 Both for $35
10.- (x-7-7-x-14-14-21-28-35) = 42 Minnesota +3.5 L Dec 1, 2008
11.- (x-7-7-x-14-14-21-28-35-42) = 49 Los Angeles Lakers -8.5 L Dec 2, 2008
12.- (x-7-7-x-14-14-21-28-35-42-49) = 56 Oklahoma City +8.5 W Dec 3, 2008
13.- (x-x-7-x-14-14-21-28-35-42-x) = 49 Atlanta Hawks +7.5 W Dec 6, 2008
14.- (x-x-x-x-14-14-21-28-35-x-x) = 49 Milwaukee Bucks +13.5 W Dec 7, 2008
15.- (x-x-x-x-x-14-21-28-x-x-x)= 42 Orlando -3.5 W Dec 8, 2008
**** Since I only have one left I will add it to the next line.
(x-x-x-x-x-x-21-x-x-x-x)
16.- (7-7-7-7-21) = 28 NY Knicks +1 W December 13, 2008
17.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 Utah Jazz +9 P December 15, 2008
I get a Push and I will left this game like that because the line when to +9.5 and also at +10
18.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 Cavaliers -9.5 W Dec 17, 2008
19.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 Mavericks -1 W Dec 17, 2008
20.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 Warriors +7.5 W Dec 17, 2008
21.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 Clippers +3.5 L Dec 17, 2008
My lines are 7-7-7-7= 28 total so I won 28 that means I clear one line and I will stay with the current one
22.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 Toronto Raptors -6 L Dec 19, 2008
23.- (x-7-7-7-x-14) = 21 Houston Rockets -5.5 W Dec 20, 2008
24.- (x-x-7-7-x-x)= 14 Oklahoma City +12 W Dec 23, 2008
**** Another cleared line.
Now that my bank roll has grow I will add $1 to each number every time I clear a line.
25.- (8-8-8-8)= 16 Boston Celtics +2 Dec 25, 2008 L (Another final here, looking for Lakers revenge)... I couldn't resist and I bet the lakers :P
26.- (8-8-8-8-16) = 24 Philadelphia 76'ers +6.5 W Dec 26, 2008
27.- (x-8-8-8-x) = 16 Denver Nuggets -4 W Dec 28, 2008
28.- (x-x-8-x-x) = 8
**** Since I only have one number left I will add it to the other increased line
28.- (9-9-8-9-9) = 18 Sacramento +8.5 W and Houston Rockets -3.5 L Jan 2, 2009
29.- (x-9-8-9-x-18) = 27 Detroit Pistons -6 L Jan 4, 2009
30.- (x-9-8-9-x-18-27) = 36 Indiana Pacers +9.5 L Jan 5, 2009
31.- (x-9-8-9-x-18-27-36) = 45 NY Knicks +2 L Jan 6, 2009
32.- (x-9-8-9-x-18-27-36-45) = 54 Miami Heat +5.5 L Jan 7, 2009
33.- (x-9-8-9-x-18-27-36-45-54) = 63 Orlando Magic +2.5 W Jan 11, 2009
34.- (x-x-8-9-x-18-27-36-45-x) = 53 Portland Blazers -2.5 W Jan 12, 2009
35.- (x-x-x-9-x-18-27-36-x-x) = 45 Atlanta Hawks +6.5 W Jan 13, 2009
36.- (x-x-x-x-x-18-27-x-x-x) = 45 Milwaukee Bucks +1 W Jan 16, 2009
37.- (x-x-x-x-x-18-27-x-x-x) = 45 San Antonio Spurs -3 L Jan 16, 2009
I Clear the line but I still have $45 pending so I will add it to the next one but I will divide it in 5 parts.
*** I change my mind and I will stick with the plan
38.- (9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9) = 18 Phoenix Suns ??? Jan 18, 2009
38.- (9-9-9-9-9-45) = 54 Phoenix Suns -3 W Jan 18, 2009
39.- (x-9-9-9-9-x) = 18 Cleveland Cavs +5 L Jan 19, 2009
40.- (x-9-9-9-9-x) = 18 Dallas Mavs +4.5 W Jan 19, 2009
41.- (x-9-9-9-9-x) = 18 Washington Wizards +5 L Jan 19, 2009
42.- (x-x-9-9-x-x-18-18) = 27 NJ Nets +5 L Jan 21, 2009
43.- (x-x-9-9-x-x-18-18-27) = 36 Phoenix Suns -4 L Jan 23, 2009
44.- (x-x-9-9-x-x-18-18-27) = 36 Houston Rockets ML L Jan 23, 2009
44.- (x-x-9-9-x-x-18-18-27-36-36) = 45 Sacramento Kings +7 W Jan 24, 2009
45.- (x-x-x-9-x-x-18-18-27-36-x) = 45 Chicago Bulls +4.5 W Jan 25, 2009
46.- (x-x-x-x-x-x-18-18-27-x-x) = 45 Charlotte Bobcats +11 W Jan 27, 2009
47.- (10-10-10-10-18) = 28 LA Clippers +15.5 L Jan 30, 2009
48.- (10-10-10-10-18-28) = 38 Chicago Bulls +9.5 W Jan 31, 2009
49.- (x-10-10-10-18-x) = 28 Los Angeles Lakers -5 W Feb 2, 2009
50.- (x-x-10-10-x-x) = 20 Denver Nuggets -6.5 W Feb 6, 2009
51.- (x-x-10-10-x-x) = 20 Toronto Raptors +4.5 L Feb 6, 2009
52.- (11-11-11-11-20) = 31 San Antonio Spurs +7 W Feb 8, 2009
53.- (11-11-11-11-20) = 31 New York K +8 W Feb 8, 2009
54.- (11-11-11-11-20) = 31 Phoenix Suns ML W Feb 8, 2009
**** Clearing the line in just one day
55.- (x-7-12-x) = 19 Denver Nuggets +7.5 W Feb 11, 2009
56.- (x-7-12-x) = 19 Boston Celtics -7.5 W Feb 11, 2009
57.- (x-13-20-x) = 33 San Antonio Spurs -5 L Feb17, 2009
58.- (x-13-20-x) = 33 Atlanta Hawks +9.5 L Feb 17, 2009
59.- (x-13-20-x-33-33) = 46 Charlotte Bobcats +6.5 L Feb 22. 2009
60.- (x-13-20-x-33-33) = 46 Boston Celtics +2 Feb W 22. 2009
61.- (x-x-20-x-33-x-46) = 66 Toronto Raptors +4 L Feb 27, 2009
62.- (x-x-20-x-33-x-46-66) = 86 Indiana Pacers -2.5 W March 3, 2009
63.- (x-x-x-x-33-x-46-x) = 79 Golden State Warriros +7.5 L March 4, 2009
64.- (x-x-x-x-33-x-46-x-79) = 112 Utah Jazz -5.5 W March 8, 2009
I made a mistake with the hornets. They play tonight not yesterday
65.- (x-x-x-x-x-x-46-x-x) = 46 NO Hornets -1.5 L March 9, 2009
66.- (14-14-14-14-46) = 60 Cleveland -11 L March 10, 2009
67.- (14-14-14-14-46-60) = 74 NJ Nets +3 L March 11, 2009
68.- (14-14-14-14-46-60-74) = 88 Sacramento Kings +2.5 W March 14, 2009
69.- (x-14-14-14-46-60-x) = 74 Philadelphia Sixers +9.5 W March 17, 2009
70.- (x-14-14-14-46-60-x) = 74 Washington +15.5 W March 17, 2009
71.- (15-15-15-15) = 30 LA Clippers +7 L March 19, 2009
72.- (15-15-15-15-30) = 45 Minnesota Timber wolves +12 P March 23, 2009
73.- (15-15-15-15-30) = 45 LA Lakers -7.5 W March 26, 2009
74.- (x-15-15-15-x) = Season OVER
Line 2
1.- (5-5-5-5) = 10 (Utah +4.5) W Nov 11, 2008
2.- (x-5-5-x) = 10 (Chicago +6.5 W Nov. 24, 2008)
****** 1 CLEARED LINE
3.- (5-5-5-5) = 10 Golden state -1 L Nov 25, 2008
4.- (5-5-5-5-10) = 15 New Jersey Nets +2.5 W Nov 26, 2008
5.- (x-5-5-5-x) = 10 Miami Heat +8 W Nov 28, 2008
****** 2 CLEARED LINE (Time to increase the amount to 7)
Since I only have one number I will add it to the next line
6.- (7-7-5-7-7) = 14 Toronto Raptors +6 L Dic 2, 2008
7.- (7-7-5-7-7-14) = 21 Minnesota +10 L Dic 3, 2008 (Updated line)
8.- (7-7-5-7-7-14) = 21 LA Lakers -7 W Dic 3, 2008 (Updated line)
9.- (7-7-5-7-7-14-21) = 28 LA Clippers +2.5 W Dic 19, 2008
10.- (x-7-5-7-7-14-x) = 21 Toronto Raptors +10 P Dic 20, 2008
11.- (x-7-5-7-7-14-x) = 21 Boston -10.5 L Dec 26, 2008
12.- (x-7-5-7-7-14-x-21) = 28 Houston Rockets +5 W Jan. 3, 2009
13.- (x-x-5-7-7-14-x-x) = 19 Detroit Pistons +3.5 W Jan 7, 2009
14.- (x-x-5-7-7-14-x-x) = 19 Indiana Pacers +9.5 W Jan 7, 2009
**** Since I clean a line plus 5 I will add it to the next increased line
15.- (8-8-5-8-8) = 16 NY Knicks +8.5 W Jan 8, 2009
16.- (x-8-5-8-x) = 16 Miami Heat -4 P Jan 9, 2009
17.- (x-8-5-8-x) = 16 San Antonio Spurs -3 W Jan 17, 2009
**** One number left that I will add it to the next increased line
18.- (9-9-9-9-5) = 14 Cleveland Cavs +1 W Jan 21, 2009
19.- (9-9-9-9-5) = 14 Washington Wizards +2.5 W Jan 21, 2009
20.- (x-x-9-x-x)
20.- (10-10-10-10-13) = 23 NJ Nets +11.5 W Jan 23, 2009
21.- (x-10-10-10-x) = 20 Phoenix Suns +4.5 W Jan 25, 2009
22.- (x-10-10-10-x) = 20 Houston Rockets +2 W Jan 25, 2009
23.- (11-11-11-11-10) = 21 LA Clippers +4.5 L Jan 31, 2009
24.- (11-11-11-11-10-21) = 31 Toronto Raptors +3 L Feb 7, 2009
25.- (11-11-11-11-10-21-31) = 42 Atlanta Hawks -5 P Feb 18, 2009
26.- (11-11-11-11-10-21-31-42) = 53 San Antonio Spurs W -2 Feb 19, 2009
27.- (x-11-11-11-10-21-31-x) = 42 Charlotte Bobcats +7 L Feb 24, 2009
28.- (x-11-11-11-10-21-31-x-42) = 53 Toronto Raptors +6 L March 1, 2009
29.- (x-11-11-11-10-21-31-x-42-53) = 64 Golden State Warriors +9 L March 6, 2009
30.- (x-11-11-11-10-21-31-x-42-53-64) = 75 NO Hornets -7.5 W March 11, 2009
31.- (x-x-11-11-10-21-31-x-42-53-x) = 64 Cleveland Cavs -4 W March 12, 2009
32.- (x-x-x-11-10-21-31-x-42-x-x) = 53 New Jersey Nets +7 L March 13, 2009
33.- (x-x-x-11-10-21-31-x-42-x-x-53) = 64 LA Clippers +4.5 L March 22, 2009
34.- (x-x-x-11-10-21-31-x-42-x-x-53-64) = 75 Minnesota Timber wolves +10 W March 25, 2009
35.- (x-x-x-x-10-21-31-x-42-x-x-53-x) = 63 Season OVER
Line 3
1.- (5-5-5-5) = 10 Golden State +12 W Nov 26, 2008
2.- (x-5-5-x) = 10 Toronto Raptors +5 L Dec 5, 2008
3.- (x-5-5-x) = 10 Minnesota +6.5 L Dec 5, 2008
4.- (x-5-5-x-10-10) = 15Toronto Raptors +2.5 W Dec 22, 2008
5.- (x-x-5-x-10-x) = 15 Boston Celtics -12 W Dec 28, 2008
6.- (x-x-5-x-10-x) = 15 Miami Heat +11 W Jan 11, 2009
**** I Clear the line so I will start increasing my bets every time this happen
7.- (6-6-6-6) = 12 LA Clippers +11 L Feb 2, 2009
8.- (6-6-6-6-12) = 18 Toronto Raptors -2.5 W Feb 10, 2009
9.- (x-6-6-6-x) = 12 Atlanta Hawks +5 L Feb 20, 2009
10.- (x-6-6-6-x-12) = 18 Charlotte Bobcats -3 W Feb 25, 2009
11.- (x-x-6-6-x-x) = 12 Toronto Raptors +9 L March 3, 2009
12.- (x-x-6-6-x-x-12) = 18 Golden State Warriors +7.5 W March 7, 2009
13.- (7-7-7-7-6) = 13 New Jersey Nets +2.5 W March 15, 2009
14.- (x-7-7-7-x) = 14 LA Clippers +15.5 W March 23, 2009
15.- (x-x-7-x-x) = Season OVER
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122 comments:
So lets see how it works
Something for today?
Nov 18 is the next play, I will post it the day before with the current line.
Good luck until then
I dont understand this, can anyone help?
I can help you iptay69:
This is a NBA system using the labouchere money management system.
It's a chase system and I'm using 3 lines to place my bets for the 3 games that I'm chasing, so for example today's game is chicago, if they loose today I will place my bet for line 2, if the loose again I will do the same for line 3. Everytime I lost I add the money that I lost and add it to the line as you can see it in my line #1.
Hope you understand it more. Please feel free to ask if you have more questions.
Why did you put denver and detroit on the same line (1.3) but Utah on line 2.1? What happens when you clear a line?
Clapton:
I put Denver and Detroit in the same line because that was their first chase game.
Utah was their second chase game and that's why I put Utah in the second line.
I chase a team for their 3 games and I use 3 lines for those games, game 1 for line 1 and so on.
If I clear a line like today, I will add 2 more dlls, I put 7 dlls instead of 5.
Good luck my friend.
how are you picking which teams to play?
tely95
Sorry but I will not release that information here.
Just enjoy the ride!
haha, ok. i will blindly follow your picks. haha
Good money management. Better than losing a mother load on bet C.
After line 1.3 you wrote cleared 1 line plus 10 more so why isnt chicago on 7-7-7-7? Because Denver's win would make the line x-5-5-x and Detroit's win would make the line x-x-x-x. Please help me understand this.
Also, if you played sacramento(loss line 1,2,3) would line 3 say 5-5-5-5-10.
I hate to bother again. Is this your first year using this noney management? If you used it in the past seasons then is it effective?
Ok clapton, here I go:
This is the line that I got when I bet Denver and Detroit.(x-5-5-x-10)
Since I have this 2 teams in the first game (A) I bet both for 15, 5 of the first left side plus my last 10 = 15.
Bout won so I got $30 total. If you take this line (x-5-5-x-10) this is a total of $20 but I won $30 so 30-20 = $10 this are the $10 that I subtract for the next line so instead of (5-5-5-5) of my original line I will take the 5's of the sides to make it -10. That's why I get this line (x-5-5-x) for Chicago game.
Regarding the Sacramento game I bet it and loos it and since then I decide to create this blog that's why I didn't add it.
Last year I use the martingale money management system but it's to risky to go to a third game and lost, that's why I decide to start using this system, I run the numbers for last year and at the end of the season we will be in the PLUS side.
Good luck!
Thank you so much for the response and so quickly. I now understand 100%. I went through a bunch of scenarios using this system, the lebroche(spelling), and morrison system. This one, in my opinion, is the best and with the least amount of risk.
When will be the next play?
Clapton:
This is a good system because you risk much less than morrison and you keep increasing and winning more money every time you clear a line.
Ivan:
Today is the next bet, I already post it.
Good luck everyone!
Lets get it back!
Clapton:
Today we will get it back, 3 games for today, good luck!!
I see you have portland but what about toronto.
Clapton:
My bad, Toronto is also a play, thanks!!
Do we still chase toronto even though we lost by half a point?
Yes Clapton, We will continue the chase with Toronto.
We also play Minnesota today.
Good luck
We need a turn around. Badly.
Don't worry Clapton, better teams are coming to bet.
Do you buy 3 pt for the team that you're betting on?
Peter:
No, I'm not, check the lines!
Betting System, I have a dumb question. According to your lastest pick, you're going with NYK correct? Just want to make sure I bet on the right team..LOL!
Peter:
Right, our next bet is with NY vs Sacramento on saturday. Good luck until then
Betting System,
With some many NBA games, how do you know which game to play? How come you wait til the 13th to play your next game, why not today or tomorrow? What is your system?
Peter:
Send me an email to pc_redes@yahoo.com and I will tell you in private.
Betting system,
I'll email you later on today. I forgot to do it yesterday..stupid me.
Thanks man.
For the Dec 17th games, what's with all the questions marks???
Peter:
The question marks are the lines that I don't know yet.
Damn the clippers. Could of had a huge night last night. How the hell do you blow a 4pt lead with 24sec to go in the 4th???
Betting System, do you cap MLB as well?
Peter:
Yes I do. I have two systems for MLB
Last time i posted, i said we needed a turn around. We definitely started winning. Now i can relax.
Peter, I was watching the clipper game and almost turned it off cause i thought is was a for sure winner. Hopefully they get it next time.
Nice play on OKC last night bet. Happy Holidays!
They were playing better good all the game and the last 2 min they start their letdown but we cover!!
Happy holidays!!
Bet, could you pls post your plays for line 2 and 3 also?
Peter:
Bets for lines 2 and 3 are before line 1, so tonight we bet boston in line 2, good luck
Thanks bet...GL!
HEY BETTINGSYSTEM IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW YOUR SYSTEM WORKS,,IM TRYING TO FOLLOW IT BUT DO NOT GET IT AT ALL ( CONFUSED ) BUT I REALLY WANT TO FOLLOW YOUR SYSTEM CAN YOU EMAIL ME EXPLAINING EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS AT dulm1204@gmail.com ..
thanks alot
IBET2WIN
I sent you an email.
I'm glad to see someone put my teams latest twist on the Labourchere to good use.
The best part is that it works exceptionally well for baseball as well as that is where we first tested it. I just wanted to say great job and I hope those of you who are following this will understand how much better and safer this is than chasing.
These guys better be "donating"
Keep up the good work,
PSIC
Look who's posting, the main brain of all this, MR. PSIC.
Thanks for passing by and post a good comment.
Have a good betting year!!!
No problem at all keep knocking them dead right through MLB!!
Tod
yo. wizards on jan.22 that you have is ALL wrong. they lost and the spread as +14
Actually I think it was just a mistake of the date. The Wizzards did cover on the 21st vs Sacramento and therefore would not have even been a play last night, the 22nd.
I made a mistake on the dates, I change it already.
dude...nets covered already on 23rd...
Kristen:
Thank you very much to point that out, I didn't notice and place my bet early today.
i doubt anyone is going to "donate" if you keep making mistakes on your blog..they could just track it themselves for free.....charlotte is NOT a play on jan.25....both teams(char, ind) are in the east..
This NBA system is aka John Morrison system. Google John Morrison. Today's pick is Bobcats @ Lakers.
John didn't invent it but he sure did market the hell out of it. "betting system" is showing people a better way to manage their money. When all the chase players lost the first play of the year, Morrison never mentions that, they lost 18 units. Those players had to win 18 more plays just to break even. A 3 game loss like that using this money management system might cost you 4 units and you'd have all your losses back plus the profit from that play in about a week. So the plays may be the same but if you look at the + units it is significantly more than anyone who has been playing those games chasing and it is about the same for people who may have missed the first play and come in after the 18 unit loss.
Tod, you forgot to mention another very important piece of information... using this system we don't buy 3 points. This way we get more for our money.
clapton...that is a point that is often very much overlooked that we do not have to buy the points or take +1.5 runs in baseball for that matter...
This person is also posting the same play..
http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=656614
Tod, in baseball... do we stop chasing if, for example, the play is dodgers they get 1.5 and they lose by 2 in game 1? Or do we continue to bet B.
also would it be worth it for me to join your membership with the information i know. I know nba and mlb systems. Thanks.
Peter, i like that site. During College Football there was someone named Randizzle. He had an amazing record and one week went 11-0. Unbelievable. 11-0
Betting System...Everything you do on this blog is greatly appreciated. I understand you want to stop posting and that it takes time. Thank you for keeping track of the plays and posting ahead of time.
clapton...I follow Randizzle14 CFB picks religiously. That guy is a sick CFB capper. I haven't seen anyone as good as he is until I joined the forum. Actually, he was in the covers.com forum. Because he was too good, they banned him..yes sir, you read it correctly. They banned a lot of good cappers there..bunch of sore losers haha.
Dizz got me to join therxforum.com and I made pretty good money following his picks. The NBA forum has pretty good cappers as well.
Betting system...thank you for posting your plays. I was hoping to see your MLB plays this season, but I guess it won't happen.
clapton....for mlb the way I always handle it is that if the team loses by 1 where they cover with the +1.5 runs I end that play right there and just move on where my lines are at.
Peter you are right about the covers forum for sure....I was giving away MLB picks for a new system that I was experimenting with and started like 12-2 and maintained a great win % and then was tossed in the penalty box. recently I was told that I will never get out of the penalty box since I have a service that is in direct competition with the "covers experts" s
Tod...that sux man. Ever since I've found out about covers.com banning good cappers, I stop going in there. I guess you have the last laugh; you're the one who's making money ha ha ha. Will you post your MLB plays this season? If so, where will you post them? I would like to tail your plays.
I got the John Morrison's NBA & MLB plays. The NBA is doing great. We'll see how his MLB does this season.
beware, bulls NOT a play today...this is the 4th game of the road trip...not 1st....come on..
Kristen that is 100% correct.
Kristen O and Tod
I know that Chicago is playing their 4th road game, but I'm playing all teams that play 3 consecutive road games against the other division, this is chicago next tree games.
I'm not following JM system as it is. I'm changing money management, I'm not taking in consideration injuries, I'm not buying 3 pts and so on. That's why I'm taking the bulls tonight and the following next two games.
Betting System,
Thanks for posting the bulls. Had i known it wasn't really a play i probably wouldn't have played it. Good thing i was in a hurry.
Hey bettingsystem I'd really be interested in following your money management system but I can't understand. Am using JM's system with great success at the moment but I want a better money management system so I don't lose the ranch if a loss comes along. Can you send the same email u sent to ibet2win on jan 4th to qvqd2007@yahoo.com? Can you use JM's picks with your betting system? If so, do you still buy the 3 points? and also, can you post your ytd series w/l record and total profit accumulated somewhere? thanks a lot.
Roy
Hey Roy,
This is so simple, at the top you can see my records for games A,B and C and that record is without buying the 3 points.
Regarding the labouchere system (money management) is so simple, here is an example.
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6391449#post6391449
Let me know if you have any questions.
Betting System:
3-0 BEAUTIFUL!
Line 55. (x-7-12-x)
How do you get these numbers? You cleared 93 but the line had 64. I don't understand. Please help. Thank You.
Here is the last line:
(11-11-11-11-20) if you sum all this number you get 64
(11-11-11-11-20) = 64 - 93 that we won = -29.
Next line would be
(12-12-12-12) = 48 - (last 29) = 19
So we take the 19 from the same line and we get
(x-7-12-x) = 19
Hope you can get it. There are different variations that you can do. ;)
Thank you Betting System, you couldn't have gave me a better explanation.
P.S. Toronto came through!
My placer
how did this system do last yr? did you play or track it last yr by chance?
I played using a different money management, by far this is the best way to go without risking to much and get a good money back!!
what version have you played
I used the martingale system.
were you buying points before
Yes sir.
did you do any good that way..you were playing the morission system
betting systems...$ management aside, how did this system do last yr? game 1, 2, 3 records available ? tks!!
I used this same system with martingale buying points.
I don't have the records right now but one loosing series cost you A LOT!!!. You probably need like 20 games more to be even again.
This is the first year that I'm using this system with the labrouchere money management.
betting systems...i hear ya about the straight chase losing you alot! i was just wondering how reliable this chase is though from year to year...its doing really well this yr...just curious if you think you might can get the records from last yr? thanks!!!
If you follow this same system with the martingale money management you didn't go well, but if you follow it using this money management then that's a different history. I think last year we lost like 5 series to be honest I don't remember!... sorry
betting systems..did you win money last season buying points and using martingale system or was there too many loses
Let me give you an example how much it will cost you one lost with martingale system and buying 3 points.
To buy 3 points you need to lay -170 to 190 as very minimum, depending on your book, so lets say you want 10 dlls at -170 per series to make it easy.
1.- $17 to win 10 LOST
2.- $46 to win 27 LOST
3.- $95 to win 56 LOST
Total LOST 95+46+17 = $158
So this means that we need to win 16 more series to recover from this lost and actually I remember that I need to win 20 more series because of the odds.
You normally get like 60-70 series at year, so do your math if you lost 3 series you are fried!!!
Kristen....over the past 4 seasons there has been at l loss.
Last year: 1 LOSS
2 Yrs ago: 2 LOSSES
3 YRS ago: 2 LOSSES
Additionally each year there are usually 1 or two where you have to bail out of because injuries.
This year the very first play was a loss so with it being 50 something and 1....that 1 loss was 18 units so if there is another loss anytime soon most of the years profits will be gone if you're chasing.
Correction, last year there were 2 losses and about 10 less plays so martingale or "chase" players didn't make much.
iptay69....I published a doc on the labourchere you can read so the thread here doesn't get all jammed
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddx45786_53c89dkjc9
Thanks TOD for posting.
I hear that you are doing very good with your service. I hate to pay for picks or service but if someday I decide to do it I will take your service, it's shame that is a little bit expensive for me.
Good luck
i just have some questions for the system used in the MLB season. since MLB lines have such variance u will never profit by betting one unit per game, cuz when u lose u will ahve lost 1 unit while winning a bet with a team -1.60 u wont be even near even, should u adjust the system to:
5-5-5-5
and say u r betting a -1.60 team, bet 16 to win the 10 u need to clear the line, instead of just betting 10, agree?
I have never used this money management with MLB but I will add the amount that I lost when the lines are higher and the risk amount when its a dog. Here an example
1.- (5-5-5-5)= Line -160 I will bet to win 10.
If I loose
2.- (5-5-5-5-16) = Line +120. $21 to win like $25 or higher
betting systems
what MLB system are you gonna play
The same as James Morrison
betting systems
is that the sweep chase
Yes, it is
lets us know where you will post the baseball system at.. i would like to follow and see how it does
Dear all,
I have had a chance to review betting systems money management system and the pure JM system and I believe there is some method to JM's madness. I'll try and explain.
Whilst betting system's money management is a lot safer than JM's and not buying the 3 points is not as costly, there is a concrete reason why JM suggests buying 3 points. As can be seen from betting system's records, the average hit rate for bets a and b are 60-65%, average hit rate for bet C is 55-60%. Because of the similarity in each of these hit rates, the la bouchere money management system can just as easily be played amalgamating all types of bets a b and c into one line, and the profit lies in smart management of the bankroll rather than the at most better than average hit rate with the picks.
What the JM system does is it increases the hit rate of each of the bet a b and c picks. It does this by firstly and most obviously giving the better 3 more points on the spread to play with. Secondarily also, because some of the bets A and B are won relying on these 3 extra points, the resultant bets B and C that would've eventuated from not buying these points is eliminated.
My tracking of the discrepancy has revealed that a lot of the losing bets at the b and c level would have been non-bets with the true JM system, since these series would have been won on the preceding bets A and C. In fact, the record for each level of bet, including the sacramento kings intial loss for the year is something like bet a: 67% hit rate, bet B: 87% hit rate, bet C: 67% hit rate (2/3) Because of the small sample size for bet c, it may be more accurate to include last years nba bet c results, which came in at 10/11 bets won, which makes the percentage 12/14, roughly 85%. These winning percentages actually are disproportionately higher than the reduced odds that one needs to accept when buying 3 points thus allowing JM followers a profit margin in all nba seasons to date.
The john Morrison staking system of chasing each loss, while risky, does make use of increasing the stake amount for an increasingly likely win result, i.e. comparing bet a, b, and c. I am not defending JM, nor am I criticising betting systems money management but I am just saying that each does have its merits depending on what one's ultimate goals are. If one wants a conservative way to bet, with minimal risk, then betting system's money management is the way to go. If one does want to capitalise on the increasing probability of success with each increasing level of bet i.e. a vs b vs c, and doesn't mind the extra risk, then maybe don't completely discard jm's system. I hate the increased risk associated with jm's system as well so I am in 2 minds at the moment, as a consequence, I'm reducing the units waged where the series revolves around teams with poor away ATS records such as washington and oklahoma in the next day, because these are more likely to go to bet B and C, while still buying the 3 points, and I'm increasing the units for teams with a more solid away ATS record.
Perhaps we need a staking system where there are increased amounts of units waged as one moves through from bet a to b to c, however, not with as steep a progression as JM advises, as a reasonable compromise that takes the best of JM's staking plan and minimises the risk to something approaching that of betting system's staking plan.
Anyway, thanks everyone for hearing my 2 cents worth.
cheers
Roy
While I agree with you to some degree that JM has a method to his madness believe me it is easy when everything is turning up good but last summer I was on the phone with grow men who were literally crying because their 100,000 bankroll was down to 6k. Last summer JM had 7 losses, you won't read that on his website but it's the truth...and while his people lost over 100 units and most their entire bankroll, the people using the labourchere still managed to have a +50 unit baseball season.
The real strentgh of a money managemet method is really how it handles losses. But the real difference is the people who have followed JM from the beginning of the year can NEVER make as much money as those following Betting System. They had an 18 unit loss with Sacramento to open the season...JM convieniently leaves that off his record but while his clients had to win 18 just to get even, the people following the Labourchere had ALL of their losses back PLUS the profit so after 19 plays, we were up around 13-19 units depening on where the lines were at that moment, and all the straight chase players were at 0.
I'm not saying don't chase and don't buy the 3 points but in the long run chasing usually leaves you high and dry.
Roy
I did 2 seasons with JM system and my starting bankroll was $1000, I started very well increasing easily my money but as law of average we get a lost and when even, for me the JM money management is really to risk, I prefer to profit small than loosing big and buying points plus doble up your bets is way to risk for me. That's why I love this other money management.
Thanks for posting Roy and Tob
To anyone,
Would it be wise to use both systems in one?... buy the 3 points but use the betting system management. I have strongly considered doing this next year. What do you think?
to me is a no go because of the juice, my bankroll doesn't let me lay -190 in just one bet.
Hi clapton,
I was just thinking the same thing and through some research, I think it is possible. To illustrate, let me just first post the records of the bets won and the respective levels if playing strictly via JM's system.
for season 2007-2008:
1104 cleveland won [A]
1106 LA Clippers won [A]
1106 Phoenix won [A]
1109 denver won [C]
1111 cleveland won [B]
1111 detroit won [A]
1113 New York won [A]
1114 Seattle won [B]
1114 Utah won [A]
1116 Portland won [A]
1117 chicago won [B]
1118 golden state won [A]
1120 LA Lakers won [A]
1121 New Jersey won [B]
1124 Washington won [A]
1125 Utah won [A]
1126 Orlando won [A]
1127 Indiana won [A]
1202 Phoenix won [A]
1203 Miami won [B]
1204 Milwaukee won [A]
1204 Phoenix won [A]
1207 houston won [A]
1207 Miami won [A]
1212 Sacramento won [A]
1218 LA Lakers won [A]
1219 Toronto won [B]
1221 Utah won [C]
1226 boston won [A]
1227 boston won [A]
1228 Toronto won [B]
1228 Philadelphia won [A]
102 Philadelphia won [A]
102 Sacramento won [A]
104 Miami won [A]
109 Indiana won [C]
109 Seattle won [C]
109 Orlando won [B]
111 Milwaukee won [A]
113 Portland won [A]
118 golden state won [B]
118 Sacramento won [B]
118 Portland won [A]
122 New Jersey lost [C]
123 atlanta won [A]
124 New Jersey won [A]
127 cleveland won [A]
127 New York won [A]
128 charlotte won [A]
131 LA Lakers won [A]
202 chicago won [B]
204 dallas won [C]
204 LA Clippers won [B]
205 LA Lakers won [A]
205 San Antonio won [A]
206 chicago won [A]
208 LA Clippers won [A]
208 Washington won [A]
210 Washington won [A]
210 denver won [A]
211 San Antonio won [B]
222 Atlanta won [C]
222 Sacramento won [A]
224 detroit won [A]
229 Miami won [B]
301 Philadelphia won [B]
304 New Jersey won [A]
304 golden state won [A]
304 Seattle won [A]
307 Portland won [A]
309 Seattle won [A]
310 LA Clippers won [A]
311 Toronto won [A]
314 Utah won [C]
319 denver won [B]
325 New Orleans won [A]
326 charlotte won [B]
326 Washington won [B]
328 Phoenix won [C]
330 New Orleans won [A]
611 Boston won [A]
and for season 2008-2009 up to 19th february:
Sacramento lost bet (C)
1104 Phoenix won [A]
1111 Utah won [B]
1111 Denver won [A]
1111 Detroit won [A]
1118 Chicago won [A]
1121 Houston won [A]
1123 Golden State won [A]
1124 Chicago won [B]
1126 New Jersey won [B]
1128 Miami won [B]
1130 Toronto won [A]
1130 Portland won [A]
1203 Oklahoma City won [A]
1203 Minnesota won [B]
1203 LA Lakers won [B]
1206 Atlanta won [A]
1207 Milwaukee won [A]
1208 Orlando won [A]
1213 New York Knicks won [A]
1215 Utah won [A]
1217 Cleveland won [A]
1217 Golden State won [A]
1217 LA Clippers won [A]
1217 Dallas won [A]
1219 Toronto won [B]
1226 Philadelphia won [A]
1226 Toronto won [A]
1228 Denver won [A]
102 Sacramento won [A]
103 Houston won [B]
107 Detroit won [B]
107 Indiana won [B]
108 New York Knicks won [B]
109 Miami won [B]
111 Orlando won [A]
112 Portland won [A]
113 Atlanta won [A]
116 Milwaukee won [A]
117 San Antonio won [B]
118 Phoenix won [A]
119 Dallas won [A]
121 Cleveland won [B]
121 Washington won [B]
123 New Jersey won [B]
124 Sacramento won [A]
125 Phoenix won [B]
125 Houston won [B]
125 Chicago won [A]
127 Charlotte won [A]
130 LA Clippers won [A]
131 Chicago won [A]
202 LA Lakers won [A]
206 Denver won [A]
208 New York Knicks won [A]
208 San Antonio won [A]
208 Phoenix won [A]
210 Toronto won [C]
211 Boston won [A]
211 Denver won [A]
218 Atlanta won [B]
219 San Antonio won [B]
I have been too lazy to work out and include results ever since then but I will tell you the salient details re: these more recent results below.
As can be seen, if one focuses on the B and C bets, there is only one time where 2 consecutive B bets lost (evidenced by the making of 2 consecutive c bets), namely on 0109 in season 2007-2008 with indiana and seattle both losing, and never been a case where a c bet has lost more than once in a row. Significantly, in 2 years of basketball bets, there has never been a time where bet B has lost in 3 consecutive games, and never been a time where bet C has lost in 2 consecutive games. If we include the most recent results, I know that there was one time where a charlotte bet B could have been a win, a push or a 1/2 point loss depending on when the wager + 3 point buy was made. Even if this bet was counted as a bet b loss then, it then represented a second consecutive bet B loss, with the next bet B being a win, thus, if these recent results were counted, we can still say that bet B has never lost 3 consecutively, only lost 2 consecutively twice in 2 years, whilst the record of bet c never losing more than once in a row stands true.
Bet a bets are less predictable and you can see that there have been streaks of 4-5 consecutive losses even with the buying of 3 units.
Notwithstanding the fact that past results may not necessarily reflect the future, however if these results are replicated in the future, then we potentially have ourselves a better staking system amalgamating the best of both staking systems. My proposal is as follows:
1. Categorise bets into level a, b, and c.
2. For bets at level a, do not buy 3 points, play straight using the labouchere money management system as per betting system.
3. For bets b and c, given the greater certainty, can afford to chase up to 2 losses, i.e. 3 bets in a series wilst buying 3 points with a bet.
3. optional: given the fact that bet c has never lost more than once in a row, you may wish to stake much more on bet c, knowing that if you do loss one bet, a win with the next c bet is as close to a certainty that you can get in gambling.
note that with this proposed system, there will be times when bet a without buying points would have lost, whereas buying the 3 points would have converted it into a win. In these cases, I propose counting the bet a as a loss, proceeding to the next bet a via the labouchere staking system, but not proceeding to bet b for this team series as an official bet b.
even if some day in the future bet b manages to lose 3 consecutive games, i think i can wear one loss in the midst of more than 150 wins and counting.
I think the beauty of this system is that the chase is done horizontally, not vertically, i.e. across level b and level c bets not within the course of one team's away road trip, and thus one is not completely reliant on a bad team such as toronto or sacramento pulling their finger out in the c game, and playing out of their skin to pull out a cover. the risk throughout the chasing of bets is spread over three different teams, and it is highly unlikely that you will get 3 crappy against the spread teams that you need to rely on.
I would be very interested to hear what the gurus, i.e. bettingsystem and todd have to say about this proposed betting system. could it be then that we have created a new staking system that maximises profit and minimises risk, taking JM's system to a whole new level!!!
Roy
QD
Let me see if I got you.
This is what I have.
2008-2009 Season so far
A bets without buying 3 points
38-30-1
B bets buying 3 points
20-2
C bets buying 3 points
1-1
This year will be fine if you do it like this but last year records say other thing
2007-2008
A bets without buying the points
Don't have a record
B bets buying 3 points
17-9
C bets buying 3 points
8-1
The only way you can profit will be having just one line for B and C games but here again you lay an odd of -190 per game so you will need to have a good bankroll to have enough money so you can made a good profit.
The point of this blog is to low the risk of the betting and get a good profit taking care of your bankroll. I will made a change next season regarding the way to increase the lines so we can get a better profit at the end of the season.
Let me know if that was what you said or if I misunderstood.
betting system,
the key is not so much the win loss ratio in the b and c games, but the fact that neither of them have gone on prolonged losing streaks, in the case of b never 3 consecutive losses, and c never 2 consecutive losses, and this applies for both this season and last.
If we were to make use of this, my theory is that a chase involving up to 3 games involving games b and c only can be utilised with negligible risk. Obviously there will always be some risk that a consecutive run of 3 losses involving b and/or c bets will be sustained sometime in the future, it's gambling by definition, however, my proposal is that this risk is much lower than the risk of a loss following jm's current system.
Have no argument with you that you staking system is much lower risk potentially at the cost of slightly reduced profit return, however, I'm just raising some alternative ideas as food for thought.
Roy,
I like it. I think it is a good idea to not buy the points in the A series. Looking at the information you wrote and Betting System...
Series A buying points- 40-21 feb19
Series A w/o points- 38-30-1 to date
Does that mean there is a little more than 2 more wins if you decide to buy points at A level compared to not buying points?
From memory, clapton, I think there's no more than 4 a games where not buring the 3 points would have converted a win to a loss.
In addition to the previous suggested modification to the betting system, I have just had another brainwave!!
I think what would work equally as well is a system whereby all a bets are staked according to la bouchere system. All losses by more than 3 points then proceed to a b bet. all losses by less than 3 points do not proceed.
Once one gets to a b bet, we will consider the b bet plus the c bet to be a single series, the c bet only coming into play if the b bet has been lost. buy 3 points for both of these bets. chase the b bet but then if the c bet loses consider this a loss. This then means that the chase system has been converted to a 2 game chase, much less risk, and if one loses this series, the expected loss is 6-7 units, not the massive 18 units that one currently has to risk if there is a 3 game series loss. in the last 2 seasons, there have been 78-80 b bets, with only 2 of them, including the sacramento loss early this season, going onto lose the c bet, thus 78 units - 6 units X 2, expected gain of 66 ubits with much less risk.
What does betting system and todd think?
roy
I was thinking the same way, reduce the 3 games chase to less and explode a higher winning rate as B bets and maybe C bets with the 3 points.
I don't have the time to run the numbers for this season but have you roy or any one check that?
Roy,
Which approach do you think you will use during the next NBA season? Baseball?
I just posted a really long post but it got deleted (damn) so I'm gonna summarise what I wrote with a shorter post.
Incorporating last 2 nba seasons, b bet record buying 3 points is approximately 75% c bet record buying points is approximately 82%. Bet b's longest losing streak is 2 games, which happened once each season, bet c's longest losing streak is 1, happened once each of this and last season.
Thus, one can play bet a via la bouchere staking system, and play bet b and c as per jm's suggestion and reduce it to a 2 game chase, sustaining 1 loss per season. One can also play a chase system horizontally so to speak, i.e. through consecutive b bets and consecutive c bets. if one does this and is prepared to chase up to 3 games, one would not have lost a series over the last 2 seasons, while if one was willing to only play a 2 game chase system, one would have sustained one series loss per season through one set of consecutive b bet losses per season.
Thus comparable results if one changes to a la bouchere staking system for bet a and plays a 2 game either vertical or horizontal chase across bets b and c, 1 loss per season. there would be 47 wins to offset these 2 losses giving a total profit of 34 units(One 2 game series loss = approximately 6.5 units) is betting is done horizontally across consecutive bet a and bet b bets, 51 wins versus 2 losses giving total profit of 38 units over lasr 2 seasons.
Thus still a nice profit (although less than what a true jm chase over 3 games) will give you, and the reduced profit comes at a nice advantage of much lower risk.
Use this info as you see fit, hope it helps.
clapton, this is the first time that Im using jms system so Im not sure about the mlb season yet. if anyone has mlb log of results for a and b bets over the last 2 seasons, then I'd be happy to attempt to do a similar analysis.
cheers,
Roy
Roy,
Thanks for all the info. Good Stuff! I think I'm going to chase vertically. I feel like this will minimize risk when there are consecutive losses.
clapton,
if you don't intend to buy points for bet a, make sure your unti size isn't too large. I can see that there was a time early on this season where there were 7 consecutive a bet losses, which would have killed your bankroll even if you were using la bouchere and a relatively large bankroll.
The return for a bets without buying points is around 60 % this season. You may even want to consider flat betting a bets and thus allow a greater unit amount and over the course of the year, you would still come out with a profit. in fact one of the nba betting systems in the worlds greatest sports betting system is to flat bet on the first game of a 3 game interconference trip betting on the away team without buying points. for what its worth, if a betting system actually advises flat betting on these games, then maybe there is some merit in this approach.
Roy
Roy,
Your right. There have been times this year when the A Bets have been at ridiculous amounts (like now). Its almost scary. I'm betting very small now because i don't want to lose all my winnings at the end of the season. Betting System's strategy has been very helpful but the losing streaks can get scary.
Does flat betting mean the same amount each time?
If other people are following,
There is an A Bet- New Jersey 3/11
B Bet - New Orleans 3/11
Also last night there was a play on Cleveland... Don't worry they lost ATS.
clapton,
straight betting is betting the same amount per game with no chasing.
this year, the record for this with a bets is 42 wins and 25 losses, easily a profit. don't know whether last year's figures were similar or not.
cheers,
roy
For those who are interested, there is a ? variant of the sports betting champ system applied to football out there. i think the staking system is similar, however the odds and the way the games are selected is a bit different. I am going to trial it out for free for 2 weeks and feed back to you regarding its results. For those who are interested, the link is http://www.footballbettingchamp.com/
cheers,
roy
Thanks qd, keep us inform
Regards
Roy,
Would love to hear some good news come out of that system. Keep us posted. Thanks
Will do, will report back in about 3-4 weeks regarding the football betting champ.
On another note, I have been thinking about why JM's system has been working so well. You will note that there has been a real snowstorm of betting systems where a 3 game progression and progressive staking is utilised on the internet these days. To me, this is no coincidence and sounds very sensible since what one is assuming is to beat the bookie, one needs to have a system that fulfils the following criteria.
1) picks individually hit at a high rate, i.e. at least 55%, but preferably greater than 60%.
2) subsequent picks success rates are dependent on previous picks success or failure, i.e. bet b of a series has a higher success rate than bet a and bet c higher than bet b alowing us progressive higher staking regimes as we become more confident of the bets results. Thus the emphasis on series involving one team since single teams are highly unlikely to not beat the pointspread that Vegas puts out 3 games in a row. To my thinking, Vegas has done half the work for us by putting out a pointspread which reflects what a reasonable result for the game might be. Betting on one team for 3 games in a row therefore means that we are betting that a team exceeds the expectations of Vegas in at least one of the 3 games. The perception of a correct pointspread by Vegas will vary according to a number of factors, one of which will be how the team did in a previous game. Thus, if a team lost the pointspread in a previous game (which might be bet A), then Vegas is more likely to be more lenient to that team in the following game and offer a more favourable spread, which we make use of to achieve a higher strike rate in bet B. If the team subsequently loses bet B in a series, Vegas is even more likely to offer an even more lenient spread on the following game for that team, our bet C, thus allowing us to achieve even higher hit rates.
Thus selecting teams that have a history of good beating the spread results in previous games for a season or in the previous season for betting in the start of a new season provides a reasonable opportunity to choose picks that hit at a high individual rate (criteria 1) and betting in a series of 3 makes use of the increasingly favourable point spread for a team (criteria 2). I think an understanding of these factors reveals why betting systems based on statistics are far more worthwhile than betting systems based on sports experience. Why is sports experience not needed? Because Vegas kindly provides all the sports experience you need by offering the point spreads for you for each game.
3) As an optional extra, some betting systems advocate the buying of a certain number of points. This further reduces the chance of losing a 3 game progression and, particularly in bets B and C, adds further to the advantage of the team we are betting on on top of the artificial advantage that Vegas has kindly provided for us in setting the point spreads. Whilst the amount staked is naturally higher due to the buying of the points, the additional security in my opinion is worth it since by the time bet C rolls around, the heavy advantage that Vegas has supplied added on to the additional advantage supplied by buying the points means that bet C is as close to a lock as you will get anywhere.
Based on these criteria, I am betting on some games in the NBA at the tail end of the season in a system that I have developed that has not failed once this year on backtesting, and generated a nice profit of around $2000 to this stage. I believe that some of the creative readers out there may also rely on these criteria to develop a system for nba, mlb, or heck, any other sport provided there are accurate past statistics that the system can be backtested on. Who knows, we night be able to have a forum later on where a number of new systems have been developed for exchange between members. If so, just remember who raised the idea (yours truly), and maybe we can share our systems and collaborate to absolutely murder the bookies!!!
Just a little food for thought for the readers here.
Roy
Thanks for posting Roy,
Maybe we can do that sharing systems later here in this blog in another section. Since NBA is over lets get focus with MLB.
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